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SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES PODCAST
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SOMEWHERE IN THE SKIES brings listeners on a search for answers to the UFO phenomenon and beyond. With audio docs, witness testimony, and special guest interviews, every episode is sure to bring us closer to tackling those mysteries that lay somewhere in the skies. Subscribe on all major podcast apps or stream below. If you would like to support the show, click the following Patreon banner! 
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Episodes
Ep 118 - Deep Prasad: Quantum Crash Course, Alien Tech, and UFOs
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Ryan welcomes Deep Prasad to the show. Prasad is an engineer working in the burgeoning field of quantum computing. He gives us a crash course in quantum computing and then discusses his thoughts on analyzing meta-materials proposed to be of extraterrestrial origin. What are Prasad's thoughts on the highly controversial claims by Bob Lazar and his work at Area 51? Prasad then answers a slew of diverse listener questions.
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Ep 117 - Mysteries Decoded: Live at ALIEN CON
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Ryan brings you directly into the seats at Alien Con Los Angeles during a live panel discussion with members of Roswell: Mysteries Decoded and the upcoming series, Mysteries Decoded. They share stories from filming, what didn't make it on air, and then they share what other mysteries that will be investigated by Jennifer Marshall, Ryan, and several other researchers this summer on the CW network.
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Ep 116 - UFO Happy Hour: Volume Four
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Rob Kristoffersen returns for another UFO Happy Hour!He talks about some of the latest cases he's researched out of Brazil and France, a strange close encounter with some soil-sampling aliens in a New Jersey park, and the incredible lifelong experiences of Terry Lovelace. Then, he and Ryan get brutally (and drunkenly) honest about the latest with TTSA. Grab a beverage of choice and join us for another booze-fueled volume of UFO Happy Hour!
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Ep 115 - SIGNS: A Review with Rewatchability Podcast
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Ryan joins the Rewatchability podcast to discuss SIGNS, the 2002 alien-themed mystery thriller from M. Night Shyamalan. Ryan joined them to give his "alien expertise" and to give his honest opinions of this highly anticipated film. Did it live up to ufological standards? Did the entire group think it was rewatchable? And how the hell do you come to a planet made mostly of water when it's your biggest weakness!?
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Ep 114 - ALIEN HIGHWAY with Heather Taddy
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Ryan welcomes Heather Taddy to the show to talk all about her new show, Alien Highway. Along with former law enforcement officer Chuck Zukowski, his son, Daniel, the three pursue the cases the authorities ignore, finding evidence others have missed, listening to witnesses who are otherwise afraid to come forward and searching for definitive proof of UFOs … all along America’s Alien Highway.
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Ep 113 - The Experiencers with NK Kranda
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Ryan is joined by experiencer researcher and witness testimony preserver, NK Kranda. She walks us through her process of interviewing witnesses and experiencers of both UFO and anomalous phenomena. We also hear a few stories from her archives and just exactly where experiencer preservation lay in the overall study and investigation of UFOs and beyond. It's a powerful interview you won't soon forget.
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Ep 112 - Contact in the Desert with The Bigfoot Collector's Club
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Ryan is joined by actors, Bryce Johnson and Michael McMillian of the Bigfoot Collector's Club podcast. They discuss their experiences attending Contact in the Desert. The discussion then switches gears to the UFO subculture and their thoughts on the UFO phenomenon. And of course, no episode is complete without a little talk about Tom DeLonge and To the Stars Academy.
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Ep 111 - Steve Berg: Voyage to the Stars
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Writer/actor, and UFO enthusiast, Steve Berg, sits down with Ryan to discuss the latest happenings with UFOs. From Roswell and Stanton Friedman to the recent UFO media coverage, including To the Stars Academy. They discuss the cult-like mentality of some of the more controversial people in the UFO community and dive deep in to the work of Jacques Vallée. And what exactly is Berg's new endeavor, Voyage to the Stars?
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Ep 110 - Bryce Zabel: After Disclosure
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Bryce Zabel returns to share his personal memories of Stanton T. Friedman and what it was like working with him directly on an autobiographical film script. Zabel then tells Ryan about two mysterious incidents that involved possible Men in Black while filming his television series, Dark Skies. Zabel
then gives his thoughts on the Project Blue Book television series, To the Stars Academy, and if we are on the horizon of UFO disclosure. Stream Episode | Apple Podcasts | Stitcher | YouTube | Spotify |
Ep 109 - Witness Accounts: Volume Six
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UFO sightings and otherworldly encounters are life-altering experiences. They challenge our perception, our beliefs, and recalibrate our entire journey in a world we often think is paved out for us. But the witness accounts in this episode certainly prove otherwise for those who looked up in to the skies and realized that the map was yet to be fully navigated. Thank you to everyone who shared their stories in this listener-favorite series.
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Ep 108 - UFO HAppy Hour: Volume Three
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The tables have turned on Ryan and he is interviewed by Rob Kristoffersen, host of the OUR STRANGE SKIES podcast. First, they look at some of the cases in Ryan's book that intrigued Rob most, and then they dive deep into what UFOs may represent. They round things out by talking about what cases Ryan turns the skeptics to for evidence that something truly anomalous is happening somewhere in our strange skies.
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Ep 107 - The Ashland Abduction
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In 1967, a police officer named Herbert Schirmer witnessed a craft of unknown origin hovering over a desolate road and then disappearing out of sight. He reported it at the police station, but also experienced what he believed to be missing time. What he eventually recalled of that night was anything but a mere UFO sighting. In his own words, you'll hear the story of his incredible experience in Ashland, Nebraska.
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EP 106 - Inside the Black Vault with John Greenewald
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John Greenewald returns to talk about his new book, Inside the Black Vault: The Government's UFO Secrets Revealed. The book includes declassified records that prove that UFOs are one of the most highly classified and most elusive subjects the U.S. Government has ever dealt with. He then gives his candid thoughts on To the Stars Academy, including the developing story of UFO reporting being implemented by the U.S. Navy.
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Ep 105 - UFOs Live: Hollywood Edition
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Ryan joins Moshe Kasher, Kumail Nanjiani, Emily Gordon, and Aisling Bea for
a hilarious navigation through seventy years of UFOs and the official investigations into them. The panel all voice their varied opinions on what we may be dealing with when it comes to the UFO phenomenon and beyond. Did Ryan make a believer out of the panel and audience? Stream Episode | Apple Podcasts | Stitcher | YouTube | Spotify |
Ep 104 - SpaceMan: The Mysterious Disappearance of Granger Taylor
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Granger Taylor was a master mechanic who built a spaceship. One rainy day in November, he left a note for his family saying that he was going into space on an interstellar voyage. He then mysteriously vanished off the face of the earth. Vice journalist, Tyler Hooper, covered the story in depth, having also contributed to a recent documentary on it. Hooper describes the entire string of events and his theories on what may have happened to Granger Taylor.
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Ep 103 - Breaking the Billion-Year Contract of Scientology: Part 2
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In part 2 of this series, Joey Chait, an ex-Scientologist, describes what happened after being kicked out of the infamous Sea Org, why he was sent to federal prison, and what happened when he testified under oath about what he endured in the church and what prompted him to finally leave. He then describes his interactions with the mysterious, new leader of Scientology, David Miscaviage, and ends by answering listener questions.
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Ep 102 - Breaking the Billion-Year Contract of Scientology: Part 1
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Scientology has become one of the most controversial practices in modern history. Stories of brainwashing, stalking, and extreme physical and emotional abuse have become apparent as the church's inner workings continue to be exposed. Joey Chait was a prominent member who risked it all to leave the church. In part one of this series, he tells us how it all began, what he endured, and why he left. And that's only half the story.
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Ep 101 - Lance Mungia: THIRD EYE SPIES
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Ryan welcomes Lance Mungia to the show. Mungia is the director of the recently released documentary, Third Eye Spies. For more than twenty years, the CIA used psychic abilities in a top-secret program. You paid for it; you deserve to know about it. Mungia runs us through some of the most compelling moments from the documentary, and then he shares, for the very first time, his personal UFO story.
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Ep 100 - The 100th Episode!
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Ryan celebrates in fashion with some of the highlights from past episodes. From his very first guest up to today, some of your favorites are here in a jam-packed retrospective that is sure to make you remember the good times, the bad times, and hopefully, have some new revelations. Special thanks to all listeners. You are the reason we made it this far, and we hope to continue with 100 more episodes, searching for answers somewhere in the skies!
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Ep 99 - MJ Banias: The UFO People
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MJ Banias returns to talk about his new book, The UFO People: A Curious Culture. Part narrative journey and part cultural study, it's a challenge to the UFO subculture and the broader public to recognize that UFOs, and the people who study them, challenge societal norms, institutions, and ideology. The UFO phenomenon, real or not, abandons us to a ghostly realm where nothing should be taken for granted.
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Ep 98 - If Anything Happens to Me, Investigate
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Ryan looks into the dark and disturbing topic of deaths within the UFO research community. Throughout the years, several individuals investigating UFOs and various other fringe topics were found dead in the most mysterious and tragic of ways. Were these simply suicides and unfortunate fatalities? Or was there a more nefarious and conspiratorial angle to the deaths of those who knew too much about flying saucers?
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Ep 97 - Amy Shira Teitel: Vintage Space
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Ryan speaks with author, pop-science writer, and space flight historian, Amy Shira Teitel. Amy tells us how her interest in space history first began, her thoughts on private space exploration, and she runs us through some strange UFO-related events she came across in her vast array of research. She then round things out by talking about her latest book, Breaking the Chains of Gravity: The Story of Spaceflight Before NASA.
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Ep 96 - Invasions & Crashes & Landings, Oh My!
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Ryan brings a handful of cases to the table that ranges from a UFO invasion in California to a UFO crash in a Brazilian lake. From astronauts claiming to have seen photos of real aliens to a soldier disappearing after discovering a downed craft. And don't forget about those metal-fanged aliens who hunted down a pair of young boys in Japan! This is a loaded episode that surely won't disappoint!
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Ep 95 - Jim Perry: Euphomet Obscura
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Jim Perry returns to introduce us to EUPHOMET OBSCURA which deepens Perry's exploration into the unknown. What was it like to visit Mothman's possible lair? How did Perry feel about jumping off a cliff into a vortex? Did he communicate with a Sasquatch? And what was it like dining with a real-life vampire? This and so much more on this deeply personal and powerful episode.
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Ep 94 - UFO Happy Hour: Volume Two
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Rob Kristoffersen of the Our Strange Skies podcast pulls up a bar stool once again for another UFO Happy Hour. He and Ryan talk about a man who was shot dead holding a mysterious object while trespassing on a top secret Nevada testing site. They also touch on a 2011 case where a man went missing at Dugway Proving Ground (aka "Area 52) and then Rob runs us through his Top 3 UFO cases. Pull up a stool and let's drink. Cheers!
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Ep 93 - D.W. Pasulka: American Cosmic
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Ryan welcomes D.W. Pasulka to the show to talk about her new book, American Cosmic. They discuss the mechanisms at work behind the thriving belief system in ET life, a system that is changing and even supplanting traditional religions. They then explore the question of how people interpret unexplainable experiences and how media is replacing religion as a cultural authority. This ain't your Momma's ufology anymore!
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Ep 92 - Karl Pfeiffer: HELLIER
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Ryan welcomes Karl Pfeiffer back to the show to talk about his latest docu-series, HELLIER which follows an investigation into unsolved mysteries, impossible synchronicities, and a web of high strangeness which stretches from the heart of Appalachian coal country. Driven by a plea for help from a man under supernatural or possibly even extraterrestrial assault, a crew of paranormal researchers are led into a mystery with far-reaching implications.
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Ep 91 - UFOs in Pop Culture: Influencing Public Perception
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We return to AlienCon Baltimore for a live recording panel discussion with Rogue Planet's very own Jason McClellan and Ryan. They run through the history of UFOs in Pop Culture and the influence that Hollywood and the media have had on the subject and vice versa. It was a wonderful conversation with one very passionate audience!
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Ep 90 - Project Blue Book with David O'Leary & Sean Jablonski
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Ryan speaks with David O'Leary, creator of the highly anticipated new television drama, Project Blue Book. What research did he do to create this show based on the actual case studies of Dr. J Allen. Hynek? Then Ryan speaks with showrunner, Sean Jablonksi, about the entire process from co-writing, to casting, to producing and beyond. This is a jam-packed episode just in time for the January 8th premiere!
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EP 89- Confessions of a UFO Investigator
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Ryan speaks with Shane Hurd, former government employee and UFO investigator. They discuss some the most compelling cases Hurd has personally investigated through MUFON, and then they dive deep into some of Hurd's articles he's written at Rogue Planet. What famous UFO event is the late John McCain connected to? And why are UFOs so damn silent? This and much more on this week's show!
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BONUS Holiday UFO Roundtable
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On this bonus episode, Ryan sits down with Micah Hanks, Jason McClellan, and Maureen Elsberry, to chat all-things UFOs. They discuss their favorite UFO cases and why, give their suggestions of UFO-related literature, and dive deep in to UFO research moving forward in the new year and beyond.
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Ep 88 - Fire in the Sky: A Podcast Crossover Review
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Ryan invites Andrew Sanford back to the show. Andrew is the host of the Half White Son of a Black Man podcast. They talk about one of the scariest alien abduction movies out there; Fire in the Sky. How did the film compare to the actual events claimed by Travis Walton? Does Sanford, a skeptic through-and-through, buy any of it? And the dying question remains... does Travis Walton actually ride his motorcycle on the sidewalk?!
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Ep 87 - 2018 UFO Year in Review
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Ryan is joined by Jason McClellan, Maureen Elsberry and Mike Damante, to look back at 2018. They discusses three sighting reports that all involved pilot witnesses and all included official FAA audio documentation. They also give their reviews of the recent documentary, Bob Lazar: Area 51 & Flying Saucers. They talk about discoveries this past year in the astronomical and astrobiological fields, and then end with To the Stars Academy... naturally.
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Ep 86 - The Black Vault, AATIP, and Behavorial Modification
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Ryan welcomes John Greenewald to the show. John runs the Black Vault, the largest privately run online repository of declassified government documents. John talks about the most important UFO documents he's obtained, his critiques of AATIP and To the Stars Academy, and a stunning batch of documents he just received in relation to MKULTRA that have never seen the light of day.
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Ep 85 - Witness Accounts: Recorded LIVE at AlienCon
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We return to AlienCon Baltimore once again for a LIVE podcast crossover between Somewhere in the Skies and the UNKNOWN podcast. Ryan and Jason McClellan recount their personal UFO encounters in front of the AlienCon audience and then invite the audience to tell their own stories. It was a powerful hour spent amongst witnesses, listeners, and the hosts, guaranteed to help keep your eyes on the skies!
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Ep 84 - Bob Lazar: Area 51 & Flying Saucers with Jeremy Corbell
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Ryan welcomes back Jeremy Corbell to the show to talk about his latest film, Bob Lazar: Area 51 & Flying Saucers. Corbell’s film explores the life and highly controversial claims of Bob Lazar, a nuclear physicist who was the original whistleblower on having worked at Area 51. The film also alters the landscape of the debate on Lazar's claims and the world as we know it. Lazar was silent for thirty years... until now.
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Ep 83 - LIVE From AlienCon Baltimore
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We drop you smack dab in the center of AlienCon Baltimore. When Ryan wasn't speaking, moderating panels, and facilitating UFO witness sessions, he was invading the vendor/main halls and green room to bring a collection of interviews from some of the most notable speakers at this three-day event. This is one for the books, so sit back, strap in, and remember, we're not saying it's aliens... but... you know the rest!
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Ep 82 - Ask Me Anyhing: Volume One
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You interview Ryan this week in the very first Ask Me Anything! From the weird and unusual and UFOs, to the most personal of details in Ryan's life. It's a loose interview by the listeners. What does Ryan make of UFO conferences? Does he have psychic abilities? Who was he in a past life? Oh... and a very special guest drops in to answer some questions as well. It's all right here and all uncensored!
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Ep 81 - Tell My Story: June Crain, the Air Force & UFOs
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We return to UFOs in full force with an explosive interview with UFO investigator, James Clarkson. After lecturing about government secrecy pertaining to UFOs, an elderly woman approached him and told him that she agreed that the government wasn't sharing with the public all they knew about UFOs. Upon asking her how she knew, she answered; "Because I worked there." This is the stunning story of a woman who dealt with UFO crashes and beyond.
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Ep 80 - The Power of Urban Legends with Josh Zeman
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In the final installment of the Halloween Series, Ryan speaks with investigative filmmaker, Josh Zeman, about his film, Cropsey, a boogeyman-like figure from New York City urban legend. Zeman then transitions into a television special he created titled, Killer Legends, in which he investigates four other deeply disturbing urban legends and questions which came first; the urban legend or the real events? What power does storytelling have over us? Do we create the monsters in these legends, or do they create us?
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Ep 79 - Haunted History with Allison Jornlin
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In the third installment of the Halloween series, we take a haunted history tour of Milwaukee and it's many ghostly tales with Allison Jornlin. From the tragic death of a young boy beckoned to a lake by an evil spirit to an entire major league baseball team encountering paranormal activity. We also hear about a private organization that educates priests in exorcisms and deliverance. Get spooky!
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Ep 78 - Visiting Jim Harold's Campfire
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In the second installment of the Halloween series, Ryan is joined by the OG Paranormal Podcaster, Jim Harold. They sit down in front of the virtual campfire to hear some of the creepiest stories Jim has come across in over fifteen years of collecting spooky tales. Having been the biggest inspiration to start his own show, Ryan learns from the man who started it all!
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Ep 77 - Chasing the Shadows of Ghost Stories
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In the first installment of the Halloween series, Ryan is joined by Shannon LeGro of Into the Fray Radio and Midnight in the Desert. They speak with paranormal investigator and professional storyteller, Chris Soucy. He tells the terrifying story of what ignited his passion for hunting ghosts, his approaches to the investigating, and some startling stories he's come across from around the world.
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Ep 76 - From Kuji to Solo: Hacking the UFO Mystery
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Ryan weaves the digital web of events that centered around two computer hackers, a decade apart, who were accused of the largest NASA, U.S. military, and U.S. intelligence agency hacks of all time. Both men faced possible extradition and imprisonment for their cyber crimes. But what exactly was it that they were searching for that seemingly could have caused a world war or even possible nuclear annihilation? Top secret classified information on UFOs.
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Ep 75 - The Chase for UFOs
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Chase Kloetzke joins Ryan for an in-depth conversation about the UFO field and her extensive military, forensics, and field investigation work that have made her one of the most sought-out UFO researchers in the world. We hear about all of her latest work and we get the exclusive story on a MUFON case she took part in where she went from an objective investigator to a primary witness of one of the most dramatic UFO encounters ever reported.
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Ep 74 - Calling All Earthlings
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Jonathan Berman talks about his latest film, Calling All Earthlings, based on the life and work of George Van Tassel, who claimed contact with extraterrestrials who gave him the information to build the “The Integratron.” We get in the inside scoop on the making of the film, Berman's experiences while deeply embedding himself into the Joshua Tree communities, and we even touch on UFO disclosure in 2018.
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Ep 73 - Hunt for the Skinwalker
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Jeremy Corbell discusses his latest film, Hunt for the Skinwalker, an intimate and unnerving portrait of the events surrounding the most extensive scientific study of a paranormal hotspot in human history. Jeremy unearths rare footage from the investigation(s) and speaks to the new owner of the ranch. He also shares exclusive info on the connections between the Secret Pentagon UFO Program and Skinwalker Ranch.
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Ep 72 - Finding Mrs. Moreland
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Ryan presents an exclusive audio documentary based on a relatively unknown UFO event that occurred in New Zealand in 1959. Eileen Moreland reported the incident and the Air Force privately investigated it. What they uncovered, and the events that followed, would both haunt the Air Force investigators and the Moreland family for many years to come.
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Ep 71 - To the Stars Academy of Whiskey and UFOs
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Ryan is joined by UFO journalist, Jason McClellan and UFO blogger and academic, MJ Banias. They sit down, whiskey in hand, to discuss the recent happenings over at To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science. With the announcement of a new research project knows as The Acquisition and Data Analysis of Materials (A.D.A.M), things are getting very interesting in the UFO field and beyond.
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Ep 70 - Otherworldly Encounters
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Ryan speaks to Nomar Slevik about his new book, Otherworldly Encounters. Nomar shares fascinating tales of sightings and abductions centered in the Northeast's UFO hotspots, dating back to the 1800s up until today. We also hear his personal accounts of a Mothman-type creature and strange UFO activity over a military base. It's a conversation that was truly out of this world!
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EP 69 - Witness Accounts: Volume Four
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From strange spheres in South Africa to saucers and rectangles over the midwest. Pulsating orbs in the southwest and a triangular UFO hanging directly over Area 51. This episode truly has it all. How did these dramatic encounters affect those who witnessed them? What did they believe they saw? We hear the startling stories directly from the witnesses.
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EP 68 - UFO Happy Hour!
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Ryan is joined by Rob Kristoffersen of the Our Strange Skies Podcast. They pull up a stool at the cosmic watering hole, crack open some beers, and let it rip. From the worst hoaxes in the past few years to some of the most bizarre cases that the guy's find of personal interest. Round two of drinks finds the guys answering listener questions with brutal honesty. It's a booze-fueled episode of Somewhere in the Skies you won't soon forget!
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EP 67 - Punk Rock and UFOs: True Believers
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Ryan welcomes Mike Damante back to the show to discuss his newly released book, Punk Rock and UFOs: True Believers. The book is a call to arms to the common populace and UFO community to come together to better understand the unexplained. We also get Damante's thoughts on To the Stars Academy and we even dive into his own personal beliefs on if we are truly being visited by some sort of non-human intelligence(s).
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EP 66 - Kiss the Sky: The Abduction of Linda Napolitano
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On November 30th, 1989, Linda Napolitano was taken from her twelfth-floor apartment window, accompanied by three small alien figures. Suspended within a blue beam of light, Linda and her captors were lifted into a large reddish-orange glowing UFO, which then moved off in the direction of the Brooklyn Bridge and disappeared. Witnesses observed the entire event. Peter Robbins joins the show to discuss this incredible incident.
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Ep 65 - Finding Common Ground Somewhere in the Skies
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Ryan, Jason McClellan, and Maureen Elsberry sit down with author, podcaster, and anomalous researcher, Micah Hanks. They talk about some of the UFO cases Micah has researched and investigated, where UFO studies stands in the never-ending debate amongst skeptics and believers, and if philosophy is truly dead or not in today's scientific age.
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Ep 64 - Engaging the Strange
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What happens when you own the world's only traveling paranormal and occult museum? And even stranger, what happens when the items are all in your home and constantly try to communicate with you? Greg and Dana Newkirk join Ryan and Shannon LeGro to talk all about their many adventures into the paranormal and beyond.
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Ep 63 - Witness Accounts: Volume Three
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In celebration of World UFO Day, Ryan shares five mysterious UFO encounters from witnesses from around the world. From orbs that shut down the power in a family's home to an egg-shaped craft that floated ominously over a witness. From a multi-colored triangle keeping pace with a moving vehicle to a dramatic string of events that left a witness in England completely baffled to this day.
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EP 62 - A Weekend with UFO COn MEn
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Ryan and Jason McClellan talk all about their recent experiences attending and speaking at both Alien Con and Denver Comic Con. We hear exclusive audio from several panels at both conventions, how the UFO topic was received at both, and then the two discuss if UFOs truly have gone mainstream in 2018. It was a jam-packed discussion about two very jam-packed weekends with the UFO Con Men!
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Ep 61- THe Philosophy of UFOs
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This episode finds Ryan fresh off his trip to Pasadena, CA, where he presented at the 2018 AlienCon. He reflects on the event and then pulls a fascinating interview out of the archives with past guest, MJ Banias. The two discuss how Banias got involved in the topic, his thoughts and theories on the importance of UFO studies and research, and the philosophy behind it all.
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Ep 60 - Global UFO Secrecy
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Ryan welcomes Richard Dolan back! Fresh off the plane from Contact in the Desert, Dolan runs listeners through the three-day lecture series he presented. They talk all about false flags, new age derailment in UFO studies, and the global UFO secrecy surrounding the recent Pentagon UFO program and the work currently being done by To the Stars Academy.
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Ep 59 - The Return of Euphomet
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One of Ryan's favorite podcasts returns with an all new format. He speaks with Jim Perry, the host of Euphomet, a podcast about occulture, the esoteric and the enchanted. We are in search of the other side…the thing under your bed…that signal of unknown origin…and the true stories behind the strange phenomena that are outside the sphere of popular consciousness. They discuss this and so much more in this week's episode.
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Ep 58 - Esotericon Live!
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Recorded live at the 2018 Esotericon in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Ryan sits down with fellow speakers, Micah Hanks, Walter Bosley, and Aaron Gulyas. They discuss their talks, the weekend's offerings, and their thoughts on the strange and weird world of esoterica. Also included is exclusive audio from the last ever lecture given by Stanton T. Friedman before his official retirement.
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EP 57 - Flying Saucers 101
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Ryan and Shannon LeGro interview author, Harold Burt, about his "beginners guide" book titled, Flying Saucers 101. The book serves as a reference to the entire history of UFO studies and all the subtopics that come with it. Burt discusses his thoughts on UFO cover-ups, Area 51, and structures on the moon. This is a wonderful overview for newbies and a great refresher for veterans alike.
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EP 56 - Travis: The True Story of Travis Walton
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First, Ryan and Greg Bishop give listeners a sneak peek at the Esotericon event they'll be speaking at on May 19t and 20th. Then, Ryan sits down with Peter Robbins and Jennifer Stein, co-producers of the documentary, Travis: The True Story of Travis Walton. We get the inside scoop on the film after an award-winning screening in New York City!
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Ep 55 - Incident in Lake County: A Found Footage Conspiracy
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Ryan speaks with filmmaker, Dean Alioto, creator and director of Alien Abduction: Incident in Lake County and its original feature film version, UFO Abduction. Alioto runs us through the journey of both projects and why so many people refuse to believe these films were created instead of "found". He also talks about some of his favorite UFO cases that he plans on exploring in his upcoming film projects.
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Ep 54 - Frankenstein and Flying Saucers
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Ryan shares his essay that was featured in the recently released book, UFOs: Reframing the Debate. The book, comprised and edited by Robbie Graham, features over a dozen authors from around the world who have contributed their thoughts, theories, and approaches to studying the UFO phenomenon. Just exactly how does Frankenstein play a role in the narrative, study, and ever-evolving phenomena we know as UFOs?
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Ep 53 - Somewhere in the Whiskey: Part Two
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Ryan is joined once again by MJ Banias, whiskey in hand, to discuss the human side of UFO experiences. Where do we fit into the entire UFO mystery? What motivations could the source (or sources) of UFO phenomena have in the way we interpret and experience their presence in our lives? And just exactly how much whiskey does it take to hear Stan Romanek's name brought up again in UFO discourse?
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Ep 52 - Somewhere in the Whiskey: Part One
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Ryan is joined by academic and UFO researcher, MJ Banias, for the first installment of Somewhere in the Whiskey. What happens when UFO enthusiasts drink and talk UFOs? Brutal honesty, weighty conversation, and even a few revelations ensue. Uncensored and no-holds-barred, this is what happens when the script is thrown out and the libations flow!
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Ep 51 - The Truth Is In The Numbers
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Ryan welcomes author, journalist, and UFO researcher, Cheryl Costa to the show. Along with Linda Costa, Cheryl recently published UFO Sightings Desk Reference: United States of America 2001-2015, which includes over 121,000 sightings. In this interview, Cheryl talks about her discoveries while compiling the data. She also digs deep into where the UFO topic is heading in terms of mainstream coverage in the media.
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BONUS EPISODE - The X-Files: Season 11 LISTENER REVIEWS
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On a very special Bonus Episode, listeners from all over the world call in to voice their thoughts and opinions on the very divisive season eleven of The X-Files. How was it overall? How did the finale stack up? Should the show have ever come back after it's original series finale? And just exactly where may it be heading in the always uncertain future for Mulder and Scully? The truth is in here!
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EP 50 - Stanton Friedman: The End of an Era
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To celebrate the 50th episode of the show, Ryan speaks with esteemed nuclear physicist and the "Dean of Ufology", Stanton T. Friedman. With the recent announcement of his retirement from the field, Stanton brings listeners on a journey of over forty years of memories, experiences, and theories. He sets the record straight on what he's learned and where the phenomenon and studies are heading as a new generation of ufologists step up the plate.
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Ep 49 - Owls, UFOs, and a Deeper Reality
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For the first repeat guest, Ryan interviews Mike Clelland, author of the recently released companion book, Stories from the Messengers: Accounts of Owls, UFOs, and a Deeper Reality. Expanding on his original book, The Messengers, Clelland navigates us through some of the most intriguing and powerful stories he's come across, and digs deep into the unmistakable connections between these deeply mystical creatures and UFOs.
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Ep 48 - 1948
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Ryan brings us through the turbulent year of 1948, when three major UFO cases sparked the U.S. Air Force to officially investigate the influx of reports being compiled across the country. Why was this the tipping point to creating Project Sign and its follow-up investigations? And where do we stand now in terms of governmental involvement with UFOs?
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Ep 47 - Fear and Loathing on the trail of the Saucers
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Ryan speaks with Bryce Zabel, television/film producer and writer. They discuss his recently released alternate history novel, Once There Was a Way: What if the Beatles Stayed Together? Then, Zabel navigates the crazy maze of UFOs and where he stands on the way we perceive both the phenomena and the often divisive study of it. The conversation weaves in and out of Zabel's career in Hollywood, making a cult-classic UFO-related television series and the development of several upcoming UFO films.
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Ep 46 - Witness Accounts: Volume Two
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Listeners recount their personal UFO sightings in this second installment of witness accounts. From strange lights in the sky to possible encounters with beings outside a window. From orbs begging to be seen to strange spherical objects surrounding a witness and his wife. This episode dives deep into just how bizarre, scary, beautiful, and life-altering a UFO encounter can truly be.
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Ep 45 - Love & Saucers
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Ryan speaks to documentary filmmaker, Brad Abrahams, about his three year journey of LOVE AND SAUCERS, capturing the incredible story of David Huggins. Huggins claims to have lost his virginity to an extraterrestrial being as a young man, and creates art to express his feelings about his interspecies romance. What does Abrahams make of it all? And what happens when everyone in Huggins' life seem to believe his story?
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Ep 44 - Chris Cogswell: MUFON and the Mad Scientist
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Ryan puts newly appointed MUFON Director of Research, Dr. Chris Cogswell, under the microscope. We learn all about his theories on UFOs and aliens and then dive deep into the work he plans on doing to overhaul MUFON. This was a mind-expanding interview that only scratches the surface of what is to come for MUFON and the future of UFO research.
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Ep 43 - The Extraordinary Life and Strange Death of James Forrestal - Part 2
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In part two of this series, Peter Robbins walks us through the very questionable death of Forrestal, and why many believe that the ruling of suicide makes very little sense. But why would he possibly have been murdered? What did he know? And did it have anything to do with his clandestine work with MJ-12 and the government investigation of UFOs?
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BONUS EPISODE - A Ghouli Crossover with the Not Another X-Files Podcast Podcast
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Ryan sits down with Vanessa and Carolyn of the Not Another X-Files Podcast Podcast. They discuss the recent season eleven episode, GHOULI. When a pair of teenage girls attack each other, each believing the other to be a monster, Mulder and Scully find that their investigation could possibly lead back to their long-lost son, William. This was a fun, insightful, and surely not the last crossover episode of eXtraordinary proportions!
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Episode 42 - Brian Huskey: X-Files, People of Earth, and the Lost Art of Forehead Sweat
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Ryan speaks with Brian Huskey about his recent appearance on The X-Files in the new fan-favorite episode, "The Lost Art of Forehead Sweat." They then talk about his reoccurring role as Richard on People of Earth, digging deep into UFOs, aliens, and the constant struggle between belief and proof in today's world.
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Episode 41 - The Extraordinary Life and Strange Death of James Forrestal - Part 1
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In 1949, James Forrestal, the first Secretary of Defense, plunged to his death from the sixteenth floor of the Bethesda Naval Hospital. The death was ruled a suicide. But many mysteries surrounded this highly decorated American patriot, including his involvement in the controversial MJ 12 program. What did Forrestal actually know about the UFO phenomenon? And did it play a part in his death? Peter Robbins explains in this first part of a two-part series.
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Episode 40 - 2018 InTErnational UFO Congress with Alejandro Rojas
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Ryan speaks with Alejandro Rojas, the Master of Ceremonies at the 2018 International UFO Congress. We get an exclusive sneak peek at each and every speaker and what they will be talking about. Alejandro then announces big news about a very special presentation that will take place over the weekend at the Congress!
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Episode 39 - Dean Haglund: X-Files: Season 11, The Lone Gunmen, and UFOS
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Ryan speaks with the one and only Langly of X-Files and Lone Gunmen; Dean Haglund. They talk about his recent season eleven appearance, his favorite moments from the entire series, and they then navigate their way through alien abduction, UFOs, and the impact of possible disclosure in today's world. Haglund then gives his thoughts on the future of The X-Files and what comes next for The Lone Gunmen !
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Episode 38 - The Incredible Story of Bob Lazar
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Ryan gives a detailed overview of the Bob Lazar story. Lazar claims to have worked on reverse engineering extraterrestrial technology at a site called S-4, near the Area 51 test facility. With rare audio commentary by George Knapp, Stanton Friedman, Jeremy Corbell, and Lazar himself, this episode navigates the crazy maze of flying saucers and the facility that may have possibly reverse-engineered them.
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Episode 37 - Marie D. Jones: Mind Wars, Time Prompts, and UFOs
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Ryan speaks with Marie D. Jones about her extensive resume in writing about UFOs, the paranormal, metaphysics, and new science. They also dive deep into her research into mind control, time prompts, the déjà vu enigma, and much more. A perfect guest to ring in the new year and ask new questions in and out of the UFO arena.
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BONUS EPISODE- Movie Review: Star Wars: The Last Jedi
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Ryan sits down once again with Nick Westemeyer and Chris Moss, hosts of the 2 Dumb Dads Podcast. This time, they are reviewing the latest installment in the Disney/Lucasfilm franchise, STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI. As an obsessive die-hard Star Wars fan, Ryan tackles this polarizing film with Nick and Chris as they discuss the shift in tone of the Star Wars universe, who lived... who died... and just exactly who the last Jedi truly is... or isn't!
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Episode 36 - UFO Roundtable: The Year in Review
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Ryan is joined by Jason McClellan, MJ Banias, and Mike Damante to discuss the year in review. They begin with the UFO incident over Oregon. They then discuss the Oumuamua Asteroid story, the Kepler discovery of eight new alien planets, and then they go deep into the bombshell story of a secret Pentagon UFO program in connection with Tom DeLonge's To the Stars Academy.
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Episode 35 - Paul Cornell: Saucer Country
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Ryan speaks with acclaimed author and comic book writer, Paul Cornell, about his cult-classic Vertigo comic, SAUCER COUNTRY, which chronicles the campaign of a woman running for the U.S. presidency. There's only one problem. She believes she's been abducted by aliens and wants to learn the truth. Paul brings us on a journey through the UFO mythology he spotlights in the series, and gives us a glimpse of the newly released IDW follow-up series, SAUCER STATE.
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Bonus Episode - Movie Review: Justice League
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On this BONUS EPISODE, Ryan is joined by Nicholas Westemyer and Chris Moss, hosts of the Two Dumb Dads Podcast. The trio review the recently released Warner superhero film, JUSTICE LEAGUE. What did the guys think of this latest installment in DC cinematic universe? And did it compare at all with the work being done over at Marvel? This was a very passionate debate and review from three very opinionated comic book nerds!
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Episode 34 - Witness Accounts: Volume One
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This week, listeners take the front seat, recalling their personal UFO experiences. It's a collection of some of the most vivid and mysterious personal UFO accounts that Ryan has come across, strengthening the fact that the witnesses of UFO events remain the most important piece of this deeply enigmatic puzzle.
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Episode 33 - Michael Huntington: Childhood UFO Encounters
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Ryan tackles childhood UFO sightings. And joining him is UFO researcher and blogger, Michael Huntington. They start with the 1917 Fatima encounter and work all the way up to the 1994 Zimbabwe school sighting. What is it about children that invite some of the most interesting and bizarre UFO sightings into our mythology? And what does it tell us about age when dealing with possible visitors from parts unknown?
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Episode 32 - Rob Kristoffersen: Men in Black
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Ryan speaks with researcher and loyal listener, Rob Kristoffersen. They discuss the history of the Men in Black phenomenon, starting with the controversial 1947 Maury Island incident and stretching all the way up to the 2008 encounter of Shane Savor and the security camera footage of possible MIBs. Who or what are these mysterious silencers of UFO witnesses and how have they possibly evolved throughout the years? Tune in to find out!
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Episode 31 - Robbie Graham: Silver Screen Saucers
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Ryan speaks with Robbie Graham, author of Silver Screen Saucers: Sorting Fact From Fantasy in Hollywood's UFO Movies. What messages does Hollywood project to us about our possible otherworldly neighbors? From where do UFO movies draw their inspiration, and what other factors—cultural and conspiratorial—might influence their production and content? This and more on this this week's episode.
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Episode 30 - The Andreasson Abduction
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With Halloween having come and gone, Ryan finally returns to UFOs! This week, he brings us through the highly controversial alien abduction of Betty Andreasson. With actual audio testimony from Betty, listener comments, and special guest commentary by UFO researcher, Peter Robbins, this episode is sure to raise some eyebrows and no doubt, some necessary debate.
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Episode 29 - Brian Bethel: Black Eyed Kid Phenomenon
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Ryan speaks with Brian Bethel, arguably the first ever witness to come across the Black-Eyed Kids (BEKs). In 1996, Bethel sat in his car in a desolate parking lot when two young boys began to knock on his window, begging and pleading for a ride home. What happened next would completely terrify Bethel, and would ultimately spark a world-wide phenomenon of mysterious proportions.
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Episode 28 - Shannon LeGro: Into the Fray
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Ryan continues the countdown to Halloween with Shannon LeGro, investigator, researcher, and host of Into the Fray Radio. They discuss some of Shannon's most interesting episodes, how she got involved in the paranormal and esoteric, and her experiences while staying at the infamous Fox Hollow Farm. It was a wide-ranging discussion and a perfect way to ring in the Halloween season.
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Episode 27 - Aaron Mahnke: The Story Behind LORE
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Ryan first discusses the recent announcement made by Tom DeLonge. Then he speaks with Aaron Mahnke, creator and host of the critically acclaimed LORE Podcast. With the recent release of the Amazon television adaptation, Mahnke and Ryan discuss the power of story telling and that the mysteries of humankind can often be much scarier than anything we could conjure up in our minds.
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Episode 26 - Karl Pfeiffer: The Science and Philosophy of the Paranormal
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Ryan speaks with author and paranormal investigator, Karl Pfeiffer. They discuss his time on Ghost Hunters Academy and then Karl brings us on a journey through his five years working at and investigating the famous and haunted Stanley Hotel. The two then tackle the science v.s. spiritual debate that often fuels the paranormal fire. It was a jam packed episode that even finds the guys talking about Jacques Vallée and UFOs!
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Episode 25 - Seth Breedlove: Invasion on Chestnut Ridge
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Ryan speaks with Seth Breedlove, documentary filmmaker and creator of Small Town Monsters. Seth discusses his latest installment, Invasion on Chesnut Ridge, which tells the true story of one of the more bizarre places in America, which includes the Kecksburg UFO crash, the Uniontown Bigfoot/UFO sightings, encounters with a large, prehistoric bird in Keystone State Park, and much more.
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Episode 24 - Chris Garetano: Dark Files and the Montauk Project
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Ryan speaks with Chris Garetano, creator of the award-winning film, The Montauk Chronicles, which documents the dark and disturbing stories of secret experiments carried out on young men at the now-decommissioned Camp Hero Military Base in Montauk, New York. Garetano then gives us the inside scoop on his latest project, The Dark Files, a follow-up on The History Channel which reveals stunning evidence of the Montauk Project.
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Episode 23 - The Truth Is Out There with The Guilty Pleasure Podcast
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Ryan sits down with Amanda Salvatore and Jackie Rae Aubel of The Guilty Pleasure Podcast. Each week, the comedic duo invite guests on to discuss their guiltiest of pleasures. On this episode, they grill Ryan on his most guilty obsession; The X-Files. They navigate their way through the show's insanely complex alien conspiracy, the steamy sexual tension between Mulder and Scully, and where the show is heading when it returns for an eleventh season!
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Bonus Episode - Patreon Subscriber Sneak Peek
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You have been given Top Secret access to the Bonus content being offered by becoming an official Patreon subscriber! Many rewards are available for becoming a subscriber and the list is only growing. In this bonus episode, Ryan recounts the terrifying and deadly mid-air UFO encounter of Carlos de Santos. Enjoy and please consider becoming a patron today!
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Episode 22 - Mike Clelland: The Messengers
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Ryan speaks with author and researcher, Mike Clelland, about his book, The Messengers: Owls, Synchronicity and the UFO Abductee. The owl has held a place of reverence and mystique throughout history. And as strange as this might seem, owls are also showing up in conjunction with the UFO experience. Mike will bring us through a fascinating journey into his research of truly what lay behind these mysterious creatures.
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BONUS EPISODE - "IT" Review with Andrew Sanford
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On a special BONUS episode, Ryan and Andrew Sanford sit down to review the highly anticipated remake of 'IT'. With opening box office numbers skyrocketing through the roof, this 2017 adaptation of the Stephen King novel garnered a lot of positive reviews and buzz. But did it truly live up to the hype? Tune in to find out!
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Episode 21 - Jason McClellan: Beers, Ghosts, and UFOs
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Ryan is joined by UFO journalist, Jason McClellan, for an "in studio" conversation about UFOs, the paranormal, and belief systems v.s. hard science. It was a fascinating discussion as the two cracked open a few Harpoon UFO Beers in Jason's Times Square hotel room in Manhattan. They also talk about their awkward run ins with both Gillian Anderson and David Duchovny!
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Episode 20 - Spooked in Nova Scotia: A Paranormal Roundtable
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After speaking at the East Coast Paranormal Conference in Liverpool, Nova Scotia, Ryan sits down with fellow speakers, Micah Hanks, Greg Bishop, and Paul Kimball for an in-depth roundtable discussion. They debrief on the weekend's events, what they each personally presented in their lectures, and their strange experiences while taking part in a paranormal investigation at the historically haunted Queens County Museum.
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Episode 19 - Ben Mezrich: THe 37th Parallel
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Ryan speaks with author, Ben Mezrich, about his book, The 37th Parallel: The Secret Truth Behind America’s UFO Highway, which chronicles the research of Chuck Zukowski as he furiously investigates the mysterious cattle mutilation phenomenon, UFOs, and even a possible conspiracy by Bigelow Aerospace. This all culminates into a path of uncertainty and mystery across America's highway known as the 37th Parallel.
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Episode 18 - MJ Banias: Whiskey, UFOs, and Shaking the ET Hypothesis
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Ryan sits down with MJ Banias, a cultural theorist and peripheral student of philosophy. MJ runs us through his thoughts on the UFO topic, the UFO subculture, and the many ways to approach ufology as we move forward in this deeply enigmatic and unapologetic topic.
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Episode 17 - Peter Robbins: Imagery, Reality, and UFOs
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Ryan sits down with Peter Robbins, UFO researcher and author for an in-studio discussion. After a few beers, Robbins runs us through a brand new lecture he's currently shaping and refining which covers the vast array of imagery behind UFOs. It was a whirlwind discussion. Highly suggested you stream the episode here on the website as it is very image-heavy.
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Episode 16 - Sammy Waisanen: The Howl Horror Program & Fire in the Sky
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Ryan is joined by Sammy Waisanen of the HOWL HORROR PROGRAM, a podcast dedicated to horror films. They discuss the 1993 film, Fire in the Sky. How did the film diverge from the actual events? And will there be a remake that follows Walton's version in a more accurate light? And what stunning revelations has Travis Walton brought forward about what truly happened to him on the craft that night?
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Episode 15 - David Jenkins: People of Earth
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Ryan is joined by David Jenkins, creator and executive producer of the hit television series, People of Earth. The show is a gentle and modestly pleasing comedy about a support group for alien abductees, but as we learn in this interview, it's about much more. Jenkins explains the inception of the show, his thorough research into the UFO and abduction phenomenon, and where the show is heading in its second season.
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Episode 14 - Jeremy Corbell: UFOs as a Clockwork Orange
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Ryan speaks with filmmaker, Jeremy Corbell. Corbell dissects his latest presentation, UFOs are a Clockwork Orange, and then talks in-depth about his film, Patient Seventeen, in which a surgeon claims to remove highly advanced alien implants. We end with Corbell's new project, Hunt for the Skinwalker. It was a vast and deeply compelling conversation in which Corbell hopes to weaponize your curiosity.
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Episode 13 - Mike Damante: Punk Rock and UFOs
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Ryan is joined by author and journalist, Mike Damante, to talk about his book, Punk Rock and UFOs: Cryptozoology Meets Anarchy. What exactly does punk music have in common with ufology? And how has Damante infused this into his own research into the topic? His theories on UFOs are complex and extremely intriguing, and we dive deep into them on this week's show. We also feature some kick ass songs about UFOs and aliens!
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Episode 12 - Simon Sharman: Cosmic Whistleblowers
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Ryan speaks with documentary filmmaker, Simon Sharman, about his new film, Cosmic Whistleblowers. What began as a final attempt to interview the last living witnesses of the Roswell incident, unexpectedly turns into a two year investigation of the UFO investigators themselves, in what some have said is the most revealing documentary ever made about the UFO issue.
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Episode 11 - Erica Lukes: Dugway, Skinwalker Ranch, and UFOs Over Utah
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Ryan speaks with Utah UFO researcher, Erica Lukes. They discuss the many mysterious happenings at Dugway Proving Ground and also the strange plethora of activity surrounding Skinwalker Ranch. Then Erica talks in-depth about her work on the American Airlines Flight 434 UFO incident. We then discuss how Ufology may need to move in a different direction as we inch closer to a new decade.
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Episode 10 - Mark O'Connell: The CLose Encounters MAn
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Ryan speaks with Mark O'Connell, author of The Close Encounters Man: How One Man Made the World Believe in UFOs. The book chronicles the life and career of J. Allen Hynek, an astronomer hired by the U.S. Air Force to debunk the UFO mystery once and for all. But the more Hynek investigated, and the deeper the mystery went, the more he began to believe that something truly extraordinary was happening somewhere in the skies.
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Episode 09 - Flying Saucers v.s. The Half White Son of a Black MAn
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In the first in-studio interview, Ryan sits down with Andrew Sanford, host of the current events comedy podcast, Half White Son of a Black Man. Andrew and Ryan discuss the 1938 War of the Worlds radio broadcast that shook the nation, the Travis Walton incident, and the heavy power of belief systems in respect to UFOs. It was a refreshing mash-up of podcasts, and certainly won't be the last.
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Episode 08 - Jane Kyle: UFOs Over Texas
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Ryan speaks with Jane Kyle, a UFO researcher out of Texas. They discuss the Cash/Landrum incident and the Stephenville Lights. Jane then brings us through some of her personal investigations and research into local cases, including a strange ring of light in Houston and mysterious humming noises throughout Texas. In a state whose motto is "Go Big or Go Home!", we certainly lived up to said motto in this episode.
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Episode 07 - Nick Redfern: The Roswell UFO Conspiracy
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In 2005, author and researcher, Nick Redfern, released Body Snatchers in the Desert, where he brought forth theories that the 1947 Roswell UFO crash was actually that of a top secret high-altitude experiment in which Japanese POWs were used as test-flight victims. He now expands on these theories in his follow-up book, The Roswell UFO Conspiracy. This was a fascinating and controversial interview to say the least.
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Episode 06 - Susan Demeter-St. Clair: UFOs and the Parapsychological
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Ryan reads a very compelling listener email from a witness of a triangular UFO in Alberta, Canada. The witness claimed that whatever the UFO was, it could read her thoughts. This psychic aspect bleeds into this week's guest discussion with Susan Demeter-St. Clair, who speaks about the parapsychological aspects of UFO sightings, and how high strangeness and the paranormal may be integral to the entire UFO question.
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Episode 05- Ruben Uriarte: UFOs Over Mexico & The Southwest
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Ryan speaks with author and UFO investigator, Ruben Uriarte. They talk about several lesser known UFO cases such as the Cisco Grove Incident, the Coyame UFO crash, and the startling close encounter of Carlos de los Santos. It was a refreshing interview focussing on highly documented cases out of Mexico and the borders of the Southwest.
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Episode 04 - Annie Jacobsen: Phenomena
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Ryan speaks with journalist, author, and Pulitzer Prize Finalist, Annie Jacobsen. They talk about her recent book, Phenomena. Annie goes into great detail on how the U.S. conducted covert psychic and remote viewing projects during the Cold War. She then describes how these projects have evolved into a modern day version of psychic and cyber warfare.
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Episode 03 - Greg Eghigian : HistorY of a Cultural Phenomenon
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Ryan brings up a recent NY Times article that actually takes the UFO topic very seriously. He then speaks with Greg Eghigian, Associate Professor of Modern History at Penn State University. They dive deep into Greg's work on the history of ufology and science. The conversation moves to examining the historical and cultural impact that UFOs have had on culture.
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Episode 02 - Micah Hanks : Toward A Better Ufology
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Ryan speaks with author, researcher, and podcaster, Micah Hanks. They discuss the Cash/Landrum incident, the mysterious Frederick Valentich disappearance, and they round out the conversation looking at the work of lesser known, but highly influential UFO investigator, Allan Hendry. They also talk about completely reframing and re-classifying UFO reports.
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Episode 01 - Richard Dolan: Media Bias in UFO Coverage
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On the premiere episode, Ryan introduces listeners to the show and then speaks with historian and author, Richard Dolan, about the media and UFOs. They discuss the possibility and forms of disclosure that may occur in a new American political era, and then they wrap things up by confronting the future of UFO studies.
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